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these are the older 2015 model of the 8000 series. I actually purches them 2 years ago on adorama for 799 in thr cherry color. These are the black and honestly they are kick azz. And for this price you are in a while different world of sound for home theater or music. I honestly believe this is a great deal and yes they are older but the improvements in the new series I don’t believe are worth the cost.